Pancia e Mente a spasso nel parco

Brie:

😢

Mirex:
Cmq sta cosa che non bisogna fare paragoni col medioevo anche non una di meno lo diceva… ma forse non per i tuoi stessi motivi

@Cherura

Si dai me la elaboro bene e rispondo

A proposito di cruciani sono tendenzialmente d accordo con te, anche se temo che lui forse si renda anche conto che i suoi argomenti siano stupidi, ma che nel suo nichilismo gli sta bene dire 4 cazzate che lo fanno essere coccolato da questa nuova destra oggi vincente

Mentre, per quanto riguarda il discorso psicologia-voto, questo genere di studi, ho notato, è molto di moda soprattutto nella sociologia e secondo me ha essenzialmente 2 finalità: 1) cercare di capire come far votare la gente, 2) smontare l’impianto marxista, che come dicevo pocanzi infatti cerca di condurre logicamente la classe sfruttata a far fronte comune per liberarsi dall’oppressione. In poche parole, io penso che se le persone quando le persone votano per motivi psicologici è proprio per mancanza di coscienza sul proprio ruolo nel mondo. Dunque io lo credo bene che uno possa aderire a quello o quell’altro partito per emotività, ma ciò non esclude la possibilità che invece lo stesso possa essere condotto ad un approfondimento….

boh raga non mi convince sta risposta, devo rifletterci meglio

poi cerco di vedermi anche il video di peterson…. però ecco a proposito di peterson mi è venuto in mente una cosa: quando lui parla di neo-marxismo intende tutti quei movimenti o politici che fanno estremismo del politically correct. Ecco questo qui è effettivamente pura ideologia, come quella ultracattolica o ultraindividualista-egoista. Al marxismo non serve questa componente “morale”, esso punta semplicemente a farti aprire gli occhi: la tua vita gira intorno al lavoro, il lavoro è determinato dal mercato del lavoro che è a sua volta determinato dagli interessi della classe dominante che ha tutto l’interesse a restare tale. Per questo liberarsi dalla classe dominante significa liberare il lavoro, liberare il lavoro significa liberarsi la vita

e su questo fronte possono ritrovarsi insieme sia il sanguinario skinhead, sia il fattone pacifista che il nerdino intellettuale

Cioè non so se si è capito il punto. Il punto è che additare motivazioni psicologiche lo puoi fare a tutto, non solo al voto. Noi sappiamo che nella vita, in molti casi però, è meglio fermarsi un attimo e ragionare. Insomma alla fine il discorso è sempre lo stesso della questione umano egoista o altruista. Entrambe sono cose umane (come lo è il votare di pancia e il votare di testa) il problema sta proprio nel dire… cosa vogliamo diventare? Un po come harry potter col cappello parlante

Brie ma a quanti followers siamo arrivati?

Brie:
Sono all’uni a costruirmi un futuro

Quasi un passato ormai

Cherura:
Aggiungo al discorso del voto

Innanzitutto il link

Al libro

https://books.google.it/books?id=iYwkAQAAIAAJ&q=sinistra+e+destra+le+radici+psicologiche+dell%27orientamento+politico&dq=sinistra+e+destra+le+radici+psicologiche+dell%27orientamento+politico&hl=it&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjltruN57PhAhXWShUIHcUeBLMQ6AEICTAA

Comunque credo che si, ci sta una parte dell elettorato che vota per convinzione.

Probabilmente però se prendiamo la massa e facciamo ricerche statistiche vediamo che chi vota con consapevolezza è una minoranza.

Inoltre penso pure a questo:

Io mi considero di sinistra perché ho letto Marx e Adam Smith e mi ha convinto più il primo.

Ora una volta che ho scelto la mia appartenenza politica è facile che mi ritrovi a votare per “marx” anche quando forse un po’ di ragione ce l ha “Smith”.

Insomma voto per partito preso

Invece per tornare a Cruciani

Intanto linko il video

Brie:
Vabe ma non è che si può votare all’80 percento una cosa e al 20 un’altra

Cherura:
https://youtu.be/0U–UXCHORw

Il video dovete vederlo a partire da 1 minuto così vi saltate la presentazione

(Brie: Vabe ma non è che si può votare all’80 percento una cosa e al 20 un’altra)

Brie:
Mmmh si può approfondire volendo ma diventa complesso

Cioè alla fine uno è di parte perché crede in dei valori

E da che mondo e mondo cambiare idea spesso non è sintomo di pensiero solido

Quindi direi che è normale che la tesi a te avversa debba faticare un po’ di più per imporsi

Sopratutto in materie che non sono pure come la politica

Ecco sì affermerei questo

Più una materia è pura più è facile lasciarsi convincere e convincersi, se le argomentazioni sono valide, ovvero logico

In politica è un po’ tutto più sfocato

Non ci sono delle verità assolute, ma risultati ottenuti grazie alla storia

E poi subentra anche il fatto che non tutti quelli che votano la conoscono

Compreso me ehehehhehe

Vabe è un casino in sostanza

Liquido così la questione

Cherura:
Mmm si

Bel gruppo di discussione

Brie:
Ma piuttosto la seconda parte della truffa?

Sono riuscito ad addormentarmi lo stesso ieri ovviamente

Però

Devo sapere

Cherura:
Ok

Arriva

Brie:
Mmmh

Cherura:
Con piccole cifre si capisce meglio

Compro 10 euro di bonus a 5 euro

Con 10 euro compro un libro da 10 euro.

Lo vendo a 6 come se fosse usato ma è nuovo.

Ho guadagnato 1 euro

Fab:
Eh il problema è che la percentuale di guadagno è del 20% dell’investimento, e richiede un surplus di forza lavoro e di rischio non indifferente perché bisogna tirare su un’impresa illegale. Per me è un racket poco redditizio, lo si potrebbe fare se il guadagno fosse più alto

Cherura:
Si potrebbe aumentare un po il guadagno aumentando il costo del del libro nuovo

Pero io punterei a mantenermi basso e giocare sulla quantità

Ad esempio solo al labriola quanti 18 enni ci sono

??

Ora non lo so ma mettiamo caso che le sezioni sono 6 moltiplicate per 10 studenti maschi a classe

60 studenti moltiplicati per 500 euro

30.000 euro

Che tu paghi 15.000 euro

I 30 mila euro di libri li rovendi a 18.000

Ci guadagni solo 3 mila euro

Che effettivamente non è niente

Mirex:
(Cherura: Comunque credo che si, ci sta una parte dell elettorato che vota per convinzione.)

Cherura:
Hai ragione a dire che è una cifra del nostro tempo

Mirex:

Cherura:

Fab:
Cherura ti devi sentire konrad, è un podcast del post su roba de europ

Molto buono

È mensile

Cherura:
Lo sento

Seguo sia

Quello del post

Che konrad

Fab:
Ah mitico a me sta piacendo molto

Cherura:
Sisi sono i più bravi loro

Brie:
Stavo pensando, ci serve un contenuto che sia una bomba

Tipo come fanno i big a esplodere?

In realtà non lo so eheheheh 😁

Anche a me sta venendo voglia di scrivere qualcosa

Un po’ tipo come fare cacca mi disse qualcuno in passato

Mi sa che è vero

Tu trattieni ti trattieni perché magari stai sul treno all’uni e non è puoi cagare dappertutto

Cioè puoi anche farlo ma più che altro per emergenze

Poi a un certo punto ti trovi riposato e rilassato a casa tua, dopo un periodo di affari e cose varie

E finalmente hai del tempo buono per tirare fuori qualcosa

Cherura:
Ma a parte che non credo io al blog

È difficile che esploda una cosa così fatta

Comuqneu succede che chi fa le cose fatte bene per tanto tempo a na certa esplode

Brie:

Cioè comunque il sunto è che il blog funziona ancora adesso ma in un modo dirlfferente rispetto al passato credo

Ovvero subentrano tutta una serie di fattori moderni, vedi social network e lo strapotere di google, che magari quando è nata la cosa non c’erano

E uno dovrebbe farci i conti

Mmmh 🤔

Mi vado a fa la barba

Cherura:
Giusto giusto

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